May 31, 2013

  • I guess I knew it'd come, someday. I just never could figure out what I'd do once the day came.

     

    I'll start with what we're all thinking: creating a social network you have to pay for will never fly. It's really a reasonable price – $48 for a full year comes to $3.75 per month. While I normally avoid paying anything ever – if I can help it – (particularly because a bunch of services for the low price of only $3 per month eventually build up if you don't keep track – and, at so low a price, you're likely tempted not to be too concerned), I might actually make an exception for Xanga. But I couldn't right now. I have far greater requirements that couldn't allow any justification at this moment.

    But even if I was willing to put down $48 per year, many others wouldn't (particular when social sites like Tumblr are right around the corner for free).

     

    What would be, in my mind, the wiser decision is to revamp the way Xanga works in order to attract more people (something that Xanga, really, ought to've done a long damn time ago).

    Here's what I (and, I think, a lot of other Xangans) like about Xanga: the community. And, as I've a million times before on here (and, I've been reminded this year, there are still some of us here…), it was a safe place for those who maybe wanted to talk about aspects of our lives that maybe we didn't feel comfortable about elsewhere.

    I don't think those two things are separate. I could talk about depression and SI and ED and other mental disorders and histories of abuse and prejudice at Tumblr or at LiveJournal just as easily (and people have). The difference with Xanga, however, was that the community gave us a place to find others like ourselves (or exercise our desire to yell at, and complain about, others).

    The problem is this very unique aspect of Xanga (its community) is not greatly highlighted. Take away the community and what do you got? Any regular run of the mill blog or Blogspot/Blogger.

    The strength of Blogger, however, is that it can be used for other things. I used a Blogspot URL for the News section of the Mucho Macho Moocow Military Marching Band's site. While I could probably contort a xanga site into a similar purpose, Blogger is simply set up for strict blogging. It makes complete sense and (the greatest reason I did it) provides a very straightforward layout for those who may not be as HTML or CSS savvy to update the site. And the site itself only provides the ability to provide comments, thus directing all comments to be about the content.

    Xanga, on the other hand, is a blogging site set up to facilitate communication between users who blog. The eProps, the Minis you can give people – it's all directed towards you interacting with the user rather than interacting with the content of the site. Blogger, on the other hand, has been able to act seemlessly as an extention of sites or as a site itself or as blogging if you don't mind others not interacting with you or if you don't mind the interaction tending more towards the contact than necessarily the blogger.

     

    I once commented to one of my cousins that Facebook was, really, this unique player in the social network pools because you weren't behind a username. Using Xanga as my source of empirical knowledge, I found that I could never imagine getting rid of my Facebook because so many memories were stuck there. This was the space I traded band jokes back and forth with Kristi, where I had note upon note detailing info. about myself and, in turn, learning about my friends, where I had picture upon picture of memories and events, etc. On the other hand, what happens if I junk my Xanga? I can archive it, if I want to keep the memories, and I'm no worse for wear. Ever had a friend drop off of Facebook? Old jokes and comments suddenly are half completely, pictures you may have been tagged in that were important to you are gone.

    While there is the hole in my hypothesis of the fact that I've seen an amount of people drop out of Facebook (though some do come back) that has surprised me, I think the reason Facebook has been able to repeatedly change the layout so that it gets worse and worse and do all sorts of other things that have raised outcry from its userbase is because no one is really going to leave Facebook. At the end of the day, it's where not only their photos and videos and notes are – it's where their group of friends in real life are who've commented and liked their stuff. Even if you could archive all the info., you lose that communal interaction that is just as much a part of the user experience. Further, – because it's your actual face, name, etc. there – it's an extension of your life. I go onto to Facebook to get in touch with people or ask them questions or plan things. It's your contact book, E-mail, and IM with practical application – no usernames to separate us from reality.

     

    MySpace was purely fueled by social value. It was one of the first social network sites to hit the scene; everyone had one. Ever had a MySpace? First time I actually bothered to get one, I couldn't figure out why people were raving about them. I literally couldn't do anything with it other than change my mood and upload pictures. Could anyone really comment on said pictures? Not really; the site wasn't directed towards that. There was a blogging function but, like the pictures, it was tucked off to the side and had limited capability. The real interaction was on the main page (as with all sites) and what was presented there was a profile picture, your status, and quotes and shit you uploaded that others couldn't really interact with. Was anyone really surprised that MySpace became a major stalk-fest? It was set up that way and directed to that outcome. That's why, once the appeal and social status of it wore off, it tanked and no attempt to revive it has worked.

     

    And then we've got Tumblr. Tumblr is this little cluster-fuck of poor organization when it comes to the long-form. This is the largest reason I have never, in spite of the allure, jumped ship from Xanga to Tumblr. Designed as a quick way to share images and short bits of information, there's no real way to form the same type of community interactions and connections that Xanga has and nurtures. Want to comment? Okay, let's just toss it into the mass of text listing who liked the post. Want to do a post longer than three sentences? HA. Let's see if you can make sense of the three or more columns going on on this person's site. Oh, and some of them trail off after the fifth sentence and you have to click through to see the rest. So useful for the passerby or anyone reading a tumblr outside of being logged into Tumblr.

    Which isn't to say that last bit can't be arranged. I believe you could set up a tumblr is some reasonable fashion for regular blogging. But the thing is that Tumblr is set up, from default, to be a site aimed at hosting media and being able to offer quick little comments about said images and videos. Which is somewhat silly, really, since posting a single image could easily help determine the length of posts; the real determiner of whether it's a media blog or not ought to be in how you organize how the posts are shown (one column or 1 million columns, etc.); of course, this doesn't address Tumblr's joy at presenting feedback in an unreadable manner that makes the depressed kid almost find the last needed reason to finally hang himself.

    But that's also been Tumblr's greatest strength. I want to avoid making generalities about things I'm not entirely certain about (and I've done that somewhat enough already with some of these sites I've only used sparingly) but it was really the perfect solution to a generation that was getting used to faster and faster means of doing things. Tumblr has amazing user experience.

    You see, Tumblr is near unreadable to those who may be on the outside. Want to follow a discussion? Good fucking luck. However, from the signed-in Tumblr user's perspective, that's easy. It's all on your dash. On your dash, you can easily keep track of new posts from the tumblrs you follow, easily see who commented towards you or shared something you posted, etc.

    Want to post an image? A quote? A post? Easy. It's right in your home page with a beautiful graphical button right there waiting for you. Quick, fast, painless, and easy. Did I mention fast? From the user perspective, Tumblr is this quick and beautiful social network site that allows you to post stuff easily and allows you interact with people. You can follow your favorite tumblrs (and, I imagine, message them) and get to know these people. Ever seen those posts about those crazy tumblrs who stay up until 3 A. M.? Tumblr's been pretty great about having a very opening and welcoming Queer community. Feminism thrives. Hell, a good deal of the images I've posted here and a few of the posts regarding Queerness and Feminism have come from or been inspired by users on Tumblr. Community! You could define a Tumblr community.

     

    But let's say that you want to have an actual conversation outside of messaging a user? Sure, you can respond to how a user acts by commenting them or unsubbing them. But the second you comment to a person, you fork the conversation. Tumblr treats comments by pasting it on your site (with a quote of what you're responding to) and plopping a little note at the bottom of the post you respond to. So say I'm discussing something with someone. Someone else responds to my fifth comment to Person A. Does Person A see what Person B said to me? Can they easily track it? Nope; you've got a brand new conversation, is what you have. Tracking conversations on Trumblr is hyperlink jumping "fun".

    Tumblr responses drives a user to your tumblr. Anyone looking at Tumblr is fine so long as you're signed in (and, even then, it's really all about who you've decided to keep track of and follow and who responds to you). Tumblr usage literally revolves around you.

    Xanga, on the other hand, regulates non-message conversations to one page – the page of the subject you are discussing. That is the key to the reason why Xanga, in spite of it's (really serious) dip in popularity, has maintained a very close-knit community. Xanga forces you to have to actually interact with the people around you beyond just the material they post. I would also argue that's why Xanga has one of the most hostile communities I've ever seen on a social network site. It's a fallout of actually having to deal with people. On Tumblr, you can ignore the response in your dash if you don't want to deal with it. On Xanga, that person is on the page you were commenting on; you can stop commenting on that post but you have to deal with them otherwise.

    I think the fact that Xanga is a long-form blogging site helps as well. You can better explore ideas and concepts over long lengths of text than you can over short little posts. There's more to respond to as well, in that way.

     

    Which isn't to say that Tumblr is entirely bad (despite my own biased frustrations with it). From an inginuity standpoint, Tumblr gets up there with Facebook, for me. It changed the way we use social network sites. There's something nice (and connecting) about constantly quoting your fellow bloggers. And posting is made so much simpler.

     

     

     

    So the basic point is this: Xanga will die or live on in its own gated community if it decides to stop being free. The alternative (and I don't know if this is necessarily feasible) is to revamp itself so that it can pull more people in. Between a premium option (maybe, as much as my cheap ass hates to admit, without the option of credits so that you're forced to spend money) and advertisements, a popular and well-used Xanga should be able to turn a profit.

    The first means of doing that is truly make it feel like an interlocked community. I want to feel, once I enter, like I am literally *in* a place where, from within its halls, I can do whatever I want. Facebook has this appeal and so does Tumblr. A dash can give that feel. Changing up the private page was *definitely* a wise move. While there's always the risk of being called out for copying (though Facebook and Google+ seem to be playing a game of tag of that), streamlining what you can post (text, quote, image, video, etc.) like Tumblr does could help make it feel like getting stuff done is quicker and simpler.

    One of the things that made Xanga unique from the beginning was the complete customability it had in its themes. While the level of freedom has gotten Xanga in trouble in the past, having a manual way of mucking around in the plain code of your theme while keeping the remix theme wizard would be great. The fact that themes have been important, I think, is evident from the fact that it made it into the Xanga Fundraiser post. We've long been sour since losing that level of customability (though the remix theme thing is really rather impressive and detailed). What would be really nice is a theme "store" (except without any charge), like an app store or Google Chrome's plug-in "store". People could share themes they've made and other users could select them and mess around with them. This would make it really easy for new users to get into the spirit of a nice looking site, allow for theme-makers to advertise their site, and give the interconnected feeling that app stores give (tapping into experiences others might have had with app stores and plug-in repositories).

    The same could go the plug-in idea, which I think is a fantastic idea. The Widget idea would have been fine, if a remote amount of JavaScript and regular HTML/CSS worked nicely in them.

    Also, security. I think, if Xanga got security measures on par with Facebook, there would be a huge surge in attendants here. it would fit in perfectly with the use of the site as a personal place to post information about yourself that you might not want others (or particular users) to see.

    Another buisness to take case of: get that Xanga app working. That's further advertisement and, the more you act like a social network and reach into every other network device, the more Xanga will seem like a modern social network site and be used.

    And, of course, some advertising might help. Maybe some on YouTube and general Google advertisements to bring our existence back into the general populace's awareness.

    That also means deciding whether we want to integrate the images and audio hosting into the use of the site more or leave them to the side like they currently are. I think the blogging aspect (and, in turn, the community interaction) are strong enough sellers that they could be fine as they are. It's just that it's awkward and you don't want to give a user that lingering feeling.

     

    With the notion of having to pay for your site gone, the fundraiser should be pursued strongly with an emphasis that you can donate what you can. While I know a lot of people are going to be turned off by the notion of putting down 48 (or more) dollars, I think there are many who would be okay with putting down 5 dollars or less for the social network they've grown to love and call home (as well as those willing to give much more than that as well).

    We say we're a community so let's prove that. I know there are graphic designers out there amongst us. I know there must be coders. And there has to be those willing to sit down and figure out how to code an iPhone app to get their beloved site alive. I have experience with doing design; maybe not enough for Xanga to hire me on their payroll but enough for a dying site to come to me for free work. Besides, you could give every person who worked on redesigning the site premium accounts, if saving the site isn't reward enough.

    My point is, I know we're willing to band together and do what we can to save this site. I never really realized how much this site had become a community to me until I realized it was going to be gone; I'd talked about it and reasoned it but didn't realize I felt it. There is a real community here with real interactions and real connections. It's not just our sites and data that's being taken down – it's the people that's being taken away as well.

    So let's get everyone giving what money they can towards saving this site while we alter Xanga so that it becomes a social site that'll keep users, whether that's graphic designs or coding services given for free because we don't want to lose this site. And, at the very least, try to keep open an avenue to sell it to someone else if saving it becomes an impossibility.

     

    Xanga's my home, in ways I've never expected. And I don't know what to do if it leaves. There is no other social networking site that I'm aware of that offers what Xanga does. There are people I don't want to lose contact with. There are people who are safe here in ways that other places just can't offer. And we're not going to be able to just move the community to another site (or, at least, easily).

    We want to stay.

Comments (10)

  • I also saw this coming. you are so optimistic. I agree with most of what you say (not that I disagree with anything, I only haven't used tumblr and myspace in so long that I can't make a statement at all).I have often said what you basically say; that Xanga has to emphasize its strength, the community aspect. I used to find my friends in 'groups', (I prefered the term blogrings, because in my mind it captures what it is better...many overlapping rings, to which you can belong. But that's jut a minor thing) and the people who are 'like me' are why I am here. I think the front page has destroyed a lot, because it naturally features stupidity and hatred. If you write something with little intellectual value, it's easy to comment, and if you write something hateful people feel compelled to comment, so who gets the mot comments and views?....yeah. Not that it is BAD to talk about what people talk about and just post a short piece of wisdom or a story with photos, but if I was new to Xanga, and saw the frontpage I'd be bored, and at times even a bit repulsed and certainly wouldn't join.I never thought about the feeling of being in a certain space though; I think that IS important...I don't know if other sites like blogger have this function.I really don't know what to do really though. The Xanga team doesn't see to hear me, and now they need to renew their lease, and need the money. They should have started working on a plan and informed us earlier.

  • @under_the_carpet – I don't know if I'd say I'm optimistic so much as I think the other result is untenable. Making us pay for Xanga will either kill Xanga or lock most of us out; none of us want to just shut down Xanga without a fight. That just, I would argue, leaves my proposal. I don't know that it will work. 6-5 weeks is far less time than we need. But I'd rather try, and fail, than face the alternatives.Yeah, I can definitely see how the front page would do that. What I would probably do is slant the front page as a welcome page (like most social sites) with either new users' profiles displayed (you would have the option to opt out when you sign up) or maybe blogs with a pointed focused being featured (like if your blog focused on film or writing or photography, etc.). You could also display blogrings on the page (maybe turning ish sites into blogring like sites for users to congregate around?) so that others could see what's going on within the community.I think the best example of that is Facebook but we've all grown so used to that user experience in Facebook that we've come to just assume it's unique to FB. If you think about it, you are literally sitting in a control space where you operate everything you do. It's not just one thing you do there (e.g. posting blog posts): it's everything. I think Tumblr has a similar effect and, as I mentioned, the private page for a user on Xanga to a certain degree. But I do think there're ways to increase that feeling and user experience.I think the Xanga Teams generally ignores just about anyone. I think the sense of community has been helped by, unlike – say –Facebook, the complete inaction on the behalf of the Xanga team. We focused more on ourselves due to the lack of a governing and controlling hand changing things on us and taking the focus away.On that other, that also means they've been a complete fail of a governing agent. As you said, they don't really talk back to us and this recent fundraiser is further example. They've kept their hands on the reigns and offered us options with near to no fluidity (buy 1 to 5 years of membership or GTFO, but in nicer words). Is me giving them upwards of $48 going to get them to fix the patched nature and feel of the site? Is it going to get them to fix the serious security problems like being able to open old pages while not being signed in? I see no reason to believe that; I think it'll be enough for them to set it on autopilot again and just keep the site from going under.If I find some way to make a social network site (highly unlikely) and Xanga does go under, I would like to take the name and relaunch the site (though that does address porting our data over)."I really don't know what to do really though. The Xanga team doesn't see to hear me, and now they need to renew their lease, and need the money. They should have started working on a plan and informed us earlier."YES!

  • You just reminded me that Xanga is where I first became interested in coding and making layouts. I haven't done it in a while, but, dang, if that wasn't a fun skill to learn (and subsequently forget). I hope the fundraiser does well enough. I wish I had enough skills to do more than donate money, if I do that.And I agree. From a media point of view, tumblr is great. It's actually pretty good with starting conversations (or arguments), definitely an at least decent platform for feminist discussion (I am  biased, as you know). But as for personal, close knit stuff? Tumblr sucks. They decided to put an ask limit in about... a year? Or two? Ago, which limits communication. Then, like you said, seeing replies is difficult unless the owner of the blog in question posts all the replies (something I try to do) because it's a pain in the ass to see otherwise. And then some people's layouts, as you mention, REALLY make it difficult to follow anything at all.

  • I actually think it's smart of them to make it a private network  and paying but not for me.  If it were a  year from now I could justifiy $50 for a  freenotworking site but right now I'm already putting too much money into   my own sites.  If xanga was  my mian site I would though so it is good  for diehard xangans that really invested there main time into xanga solely.

  • @thirst2 - I've only been a Xangan, since this January and I love being on here. If I had the money, I would donate to keep Xanga running. Being on here is a breath of fresh air compared to facebook. Personally, I don't care about everybody and their dogs' selfies shoved in my face on a constant basis and the most ridiculous status updates. I originally joined Xanga because I was looking for a more obscure blog for writing exposure and entertainment, loved the wallpapers, that reflect my personality, and the ability to interact with friends/subscribers. I've visited Tumblr several times. It looks like a crackhead with ADHD designed that site. LOL! Since I want to expand on subscribers/friends for my blogs, in hopes of getting writing exposure, while having cool wallpapers, that reflect my personality, I don't know what other blogging site is similar to Xanga. I also write lengthy entries and I don't feel like having to deal with hard to use blogging features. How is Blogger compared to Xanga in these aspects?

  • @RealistMe – I think that's a big reason a lot of us came here. It focuses on connecting with others with the ability to disappear into the background, if you want to.Heh, Tumblr does feel like that. I don't mind it as much because it's one of the few blogging sites that seems to give some level of focusing to community building, if not as I'd like it or in the ADHD you mentioned. But I have a strong feeling that Tumblr won't have the privacy options that Xanga had, which'll make disappearing far more difficult; I've always had an open blog but I like the option.Blogger definitely allows you to customize the layout, with a great level of customality. If you remember the MMMMMB site I mentioned above (http://mmmoocowmmb.blogspot.com/), you can notice that it has exactly the same layout as the rest of the site (with the exception of the Home and Alumni page). I like the theme remix wizard Xanga has more than Blogger's but Blogger does have the ability to let you edit the code manually like Xanga does. That's how I was able to change the MMMMMB Blogger site to look exactly like the rest of the site.I think Blogger is a very solid blogging site. As I mentioned above – though –, Blogger does not really focus on community building. You can't follow others blogs *with* your blog account, I believe. They have a great private page (really, it looks phenomenal) for managing *your* blog but no way to watch other blogs. Since there's *no* emphasis on fostering a community, attention to your blog comes solely from what might come up on a search engine.Which might fit what you're doing anyway. Certainly there are very active blogs on Blogger that have large reader-bases and receive lots of comments (both from other Bloggers and anonymous comments). And, because Blogger is run by Google, there's Google+ compatibility, which might help with building a reader-base.However, sites like mine (originally solely for my thoughts and detailing my personal experiences, lately both of those things as well as to post pictures and videos of music, art, and literature) I think would be difficult to garner a following without the aid of a site that purposefully tries to foster community.That's why I'm probably going to go to Tumblr. As my response to you might've given away, I tend to be lengthy as well. I still think they suck in terms of handling comments on material but I'll see if I can beat some sense of a personal blog into that community.I haven't tried LiveJournal but I get the feeling that it doesn't really have a connected feel lie I think we're looking for.Regardless, all three sites have a very nice and straightforward blogging features (anything you'd find in a standard blogging site).I know that some are considering starting a new social network site to replace what Xanga uniquely is (http://firetyger.xanga.com/773591630/if-the-xanga-ship-sinks-edit/?ref=mostrecd) so there's also that as well.Hope that helps.

  • @IgorLollipop – I'm actually glad that I was right about the Tumblr stuff because I've never actually used it. I probably will go there if Xanga tanks but I've only ever seen Tumblr from the outside.

  • @thirst2 - I just made a Blogger account earlier this morning, before I went to bed, and I already hate it. LOL! Is there a way for me to only have Blogger without Google+ and whatever else? That site confused me death. 

  • @RealistMe – Heh, I'm not sure. I actually didn't set up the Google+ options (I got a Google+ account to have one just in case but I generally try to avoid the forces of Google to merge every account I have into and with Google+).Right now, the Google+ tab on Blogger has a "Get Started..." button. I would *assume* that there is a button or something that allows you to opt out?What's Blogger doing with Google+ (since I have no experience with that that's like)?I suppose it is a bit confusing but I've used it for so long I'm used to it. A friend of mine on here said that http://www.thoughts.com/free-blog is close to Xanga. I haven't tried it out yet so I can't say anything about it myself yet.

  • @thirst2 - Oh okay. I will keep thoughts.com in mind. I hope it's user friendly because most of these other sites aren't.

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