So Pope Benedict XVI resigned. I don't know how to feel about this; frankly, I yearn for a pope like Pope John XXIII again…
Are you Catholic? Pope John XXIII is the Vatican II Pope; he's the man that brought the Vatican out of its hiding places.
I disliked him because he sent my favorite Catholic packing to China. Still Teilhard convinced enough clergy that religion must change
His mission was fulfilled in John Paul II. Many Christian that know of Pierre Teilhard De Chardin, loath him. Oh well, its their loss.
@Hunt4Truth – I am; occasionally estranged but, I image, – even if I come to identify as otherwise – I shall always have a strong affinity
@Hunt4Truth – for the Catholic faith. Yes, his Holiness John XXIII is a peculiar one. Vatican II; plus, many Traditionalists hate him. Yet
@Hunt4Truth – he played the hardline in the vein of Pope Benedict at times as well. Perhaps its a symptom of size rather than design(as I'd
@Hunt4Truth – prefer to believe)but the Church is unique in that it's one of the few religions to blend intellectual pursuit so firmly with
@Hunt4Truth – itself; yet it spends so much time running from it. Chardin seems facinating. Can't say I'd agree with him but a Catholicism
@Hunt4Truth – which more openly engaged with all manners of Thought would be beautiful. Nothing is dogmatic until finally defined.
Actually for the longest time the church was the source of science... it was perceived threatening in ways though - big bang / evolution
@Hunt4Truth – I'm not sure the big bang theory is the best example; it was, after all, formulated by a priest. As to evolution, I don't...
@Hunt4Truth – believe the hierarchy has ever denied it. Stressed that God must have a hand in its direction but that's the worst of it.
actually, the biggest problem may have been aliens
@Hunt4Truth – I could definitely see that. Don't know much about hierarchy reaction or even any pronouncements on it, though.
after all they condemned the work of Galileo believing the sun revolved around the earth
as well: Copernicus, Bruno, Descartes, Newton, Halley, Darwin, Hubble -- all denounced
@Hunt4Truth – It's better to think of the Church as comprised of individuals rather than a monolithic autonomous body. Keep in mind that
@Hunt4Truth – while Teilhard was denounced by John XXIII, John Paul II found merits in his work. The Galileo case was a particularly odd
@Hunt4Truth – instance where a faction pushed forth an extreme reaction. Generally though (regardless of how problematic I find them), such
@Hunt4Truth – pronouncements are simply the positions of the hierarchy (or specifically the pope) at the time.They aren't necesarily final.
I'm not complaining -- God is good! Galileo was not one to bow to the "higher authority" of the church while proving them wrong
John paul the 23rd?
@agnophilo - John the23rd.
@Hunt4Truth – Indeed.
@agnophilo – No, just John. To the best of my knowledge, there have only been two John Paul's as pope.
@quest4god@revelife – Thanks for chiming in the correction.
@thirst2 - You said john paul the 23rd. Or does XXIII mean something else in pope speak?
@agnophilo – Heh, agnophilo, I swear I didn't; I just double checked to be sure. My pulse says, "I yearn for a pope like Pope John XXIII."
@thirst2 - XXIII is 23 in roman numerals but apparently john paul the third is called john XXIII, so what gives?
@agnophilo – To the best of my knowledge (though correct me if I err), there is no one referred to, as pope, as John Paul III (except in
@agnophilo – some roleplay I just found online titled Nation States). John the 23rd is simply known as Pope John XXIII: tinyurl.com/2p76y4.
@thirst2 - So you were referring to john the 23rd not john paul the second?
@agnophilo – Exactly.
@thirst2 - Ah, therein lies the confusion. I thought you meant john paul the 23rd. I didn't know there were 23 popes named john.
Makes sense there would be though now that I think of it.
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Are you Catholic? Pope John XXIII is the Vatican II Pope; he's the man that brought the Vatican out of its hiding places.
I disliked him because he sent my favorite Catholic packing to China. Still Teilhard convinced enough clergy that religion must change
His mission was fulfilled in John Paul II. Many Christian that know of Pierre Teilhard De Chardin, loath him. Oh well, its their loss.
@Hunt4Truth – I am; occasionally estranged but, I image, – even if I come to identify as otherwise – I shall always have a strong affinity
@Hunt4Truth – for the Catholic faith. Yes, his Holiness John XXIII is a peculiar one. Vatican II; plus, many Traditionalists hate him. Yet
@Hunt4Truth – he played the hardline in the vein of Pope Benedict at times as well. Perhaps its a symptom of size rather than design(as I'd
@Hunt4Truth – prefer to believe)but the Church is unique in that it's one of the few religions to blend intellectual pursuit so firmly with
@Hunt4Truth – itself; yet it spends so much time running from it. Chardin seems facinating. Can't say I'd agree with him but a Catholicism
@Hunt4Truth – which more openly engaged with all manners of Thought would be beautiful. Nothing is dogmatic until finally defined.
Actually for the longest time the church was the source of science... it was perceived threatening in ways though - big bang / evolution
@Hunt4Truth – I'm not sure the big bang theory is the best example; it was, after all, formulated by a priest. As to evolution, I don't...
@Hunt4Truth – believe the hierarchy has ever denied it. Stressed that God must have a hand in its direction but that's the worst of it.
actually, the biggest problem may have been aliens
@Hunt4Truth – I could definitely see that. Don't know much about hierarchy reaction or even any pronouncements on it, though.
after all they condemned the work of Galileo believing the sun revolved around the earth
as well: Copernicus, Bruno, Descartes, Newton, Halley, Darwin, Hubble -- all denounced
@Hunt4Truth – It's better to think of the Church as comprised of individuals rather than a monolithic autonomous body. Keep in mind that
@Hunt4Truth – while Teilhard was denounced by John XXIII, John Paul II found merits in his work. The Galileo case was a particularly odd
@Hunt4Truth – instance where a faction pushed forth an extreme reaction. Generally though (regardless of how problematic I find them), such
@Hunt4Truth – pronouncements are simply the positions of the hierarchy (or specifically the pope) at the time.They aren't necesarily final.
I'm not complaining -- God is good! Galileo was not one to bow to the "higher authority" of the church while proving them wrong
John paul the 23rd?
@agnophilo - John the23rd.
@Hunt4Truth – Indeed.
@agnophilo – No, just John. To the best of my knowledge, there have only been two John Paul's as pope.
@quest4god@revelife – Thanks for chiming in the correction.
@thirst2 - You said john paul the 23rd. Or does XXIII mean something else in pope speak?
@agnophilo – Heh, agnophilo, I swear I didn't; I just double checked to be sure. My pulse says, "I yearn for a pope like Pope John XXIII."
@thirst2 - XXIII is 23 in roman numerals but apparently john paul the third is called john XXIII, so what gives?
@agnophilo – To the best of my knowledge (though correct me if I err), there is no one referred to, as pope, as John Paul III (except in
@agnophilo – some roleplay I just found online titled Nation States). John the 23rd is simply known as Pope John XXIII: tinyurl.com/2p76y4.
@thirst2 - So you were referring to john the 23rd not john paul the second?
@agnophilo – Exactly.
@thirst2 - Ah, therein lies the confusion. I thought you meant john paul the 23rd. I didn't know there were 23 popes named john.
Makes sense there would be though now that I think of it.
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