March 6, 2010

  • Honestly, I haven't had the conviction in doing what's "right" (however I can make sense of that these days) for the sake of simply doing it, because of it's inherantly percieved correctness (yes, Wry, I follow a Kantian view of morality), until I read quotes by Adlai E. Stevenson II today.

     

    Unreason and anti-intellectualism abominate thought. Thinking implies disagreement; and disagreement implies nonconformity; and nonconformity implies heresy; and heresy implies disloyalty — so, obviously, thinking must be stopped. But shouting is not a substitute for thinking and reason is not the subversion but the salvation of freedom.
    -A Call to Greatness (1954), pg. 99

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  • (surprised boisterous laugh) Have I just been set up?I’m not familiar with the book. But taking just the quote on face value, what I hear Stevenson deploring is not so much a failure to question assumptions about moral absolutes as he is deploring a barbarity and a lack of courtesy.The lack of courtesy--the ‘shouting’ as he calls it--covers up the sense of inadequacy concerning one’s own beliefs.I like to remember a poster I saw back in my college days--you have not convinced a man because you have silenced him, And again, as my dad used to quote to me--a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.I feel myself going off on one of my Nidan-style discourses. I’ll try to keep it simple.Generally speaking, we have the two sides in our society--orthodoxy vs. freethinking--absolute morality vs. situational morality--and in the current phrasing, liberal vs. conservative.Stevenson himself was a Democratic candidate for the Presidency. He was the darling of the liberals. And when Ike the Republican won, they went berserk--kind of like Al Gore vs. George Bush.Orthodoxy is traditionally less articulate than Freethinking. I remember how eloquent the Smothers Brothers were--and Hubert Humphrey--and Eugene McCarthy--and even radicals like Huey Newton and Abbie Hoffman. Liberalism was in all its splendor. From the Anti-(Vietnam) War pacifism to the New Morality to recreational drug use. Nixon’s Watergate scandal and the Pentagon Papers didn’t help the conservatives. But somewhere along the way, the conservatives got articulate themselves. Jerry Falwell wasn’t exactly responsible for the resurgence--but he helped give it the momentum.Fast forward to the present day--long story short. Each side has its Sacred Cows--assumptions which must not be questioned. The new atheists love to deconstruct Christianity. But they become absolutely unglued when you mention creationism. Question gun control--global warming--whatever--and watch them get flustered and rabid.I’m getting long again. Let me put what Stevenson is saying into my own words. People get lazy. They read about the issue and gave it some thought when they were young adults and their opinions are set. Nothing wrong with that. It’s human nature.But the days of changing paradigms are upon us. It is demanded that we keep our wits sharp and continually reacquaint ourselves with the fundamental issues. I’ve read enough of both sides of the debates to know that each side is equally guilty of--how does he say it? ‘Unreason and anti-intellectualism’. We all get comfortable in our own assumptions. I've seen more than one liberal come apart at the seams in discussing world climate change because the conservative had some figures derived from climate statistics at hand, and all the liberal could appeal to was the mantra that ‘everybody knows that the earth is getting warmer--all the scientists say so’. Or the common badmouthing--’Tea Party-ers are all racist!’ ‘They hate the President because he’s black!"I apologize. I’m letting my own sentiments get in the way. And I’m also in love with my own intellect--always a flaw.But--do my windy words make any sense? 

  • @wrybreadspread - this must be my lucky day (in other words, just now turning lucky). I saw the full blocks of text and was happy.I can't give you a proper response right now, but I will have one for you.

  • @wrybreadspread - alright, I finally am free enough to give this an appropriate answer. Sorry for so long a wait.Yep, you're right, the quote has more to do with courtesy and intellectual pursual than with morality. I used it because of its perception of an inherrant right (as in being correct) in intellectual pursual. It's the same kind of viewpoint used for a universal morality, you see."Generally speaking, we have the two sides in our society--orthodoxy vs. freethinking--absolute morality vs. situational morality--and in the current phrasing, liberal vs. conservative."I was originally going to disagree, but then I re-read and realized you said "in our society". While it doesn't usually cut down the middle so clearly in everything, that certainly is the dichotemy our society has constructed, definitely. Even still, I would be hesitant to say that this ever cuts down the middle. Lots of people (and institutions) are some sort of mix. Plus there's always the different types. For example, a more accepting view of sex and sexual desire is usual considered a more liberal viewpoint in today's society. Yet the complete rejection of importance of sexual desire would have to be considered liberal as well, because it's basically never been done before, so it couldn't possibly be conservative. Yet the two are opposites.The New Atheism is...interesting, to say very little. But even then, I'd be hesitant to label it one thing. You have in mind the radical, almost fundamentalist type (which is, without a doubt, new atheism). Yet, if we consider that atheism for so long had no voice or identity, the new Secular Community club on my campus could be considered new atheism. The somewhat radical (which isn't really all that radical, but comparitively to the history of atheists - after all, they're certainly no Stalin) new atheism I'm wary of and they seem to be operating with a lack of open intellectual pursual and logic that seems to betray them. The Secular Community on my campus consists of some of the greatest people you may ever meet."I’ve read enough of both sides of the debates to know that each side is equally guilty of--how does he say it? ‘Unreason and anti-intellectualism’. We all get comfortable in our own assumptions."I will definitely agree there. One of my biggest worries is always that I'll become mired in my own views that I won't bother to check myself or become to afraid to change that I'll ignore information, etc. I've had enough changes in my life these past few years to feel otherwise, but it's something we should always be aware of. Pursue knowledge to understand more and change our views when we find ourselves unable to deny the truth of something.I hope this is an adequate reply.

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