April 28, 2009
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Because I can't keep quiet in the face of stupidity...heh, no matter who listens....
First, why is it we continually seem to look towards Beauty Pageant contestants for leaders? Ignoring my own professed beliefs...I think the past couple have been compelling reasons not to bother!
That could go into many other beautiful arguments and theories but for another day.
The other thing that pisses me off - two idiots (I do not use this lightly) on Revelife decided to make the claim that Christians were a "hated" group. News flash - just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't make you a hated group.
Ever been to a white supremacy website (check out Jew Watch if you're direly interested)? Their entire argument is that they believe in the freedom of others - but God forbid those minority groups work in the system and happen to come out on top of the majority. "The majority people in each nation deserve better." Essentially - you can live, so long as I get representation and what I say is considered right - only me.
Hmm, so that's what makes a hate group. It couldn't possibly be that people find the ideas utter ludicrous.
Forgive, this might totally be out of place for me here, but I'm bisexual and half Haitian. I honestly don't know how I got the idea in my head, but somehow I thought I had a better idea of hate and discrimination.
Let's look at the hate crime statistics recorded by the FBI for 2007.
52.2 percent were motivated by a racial bias
16.4 percent resulted from religious bias
16.2 percent resulted from sexual-orientational biasWell, seems the religious beat us. Of course, it's not exactly mandatory for local law enforcement agencies to record hate crime information (http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,004.htm). You don't possibly think that some states could give a damn less about what queers get killed, do you? Without hate crime punishments within a good deal of states still? No, not at all possible.
Well, now, let's break this down, shall we? According to the FBI, of those committed in anti-religious bias,
68.4 percent were anti-Jewish
9.5 percent were anti-other religion
9.0 percent were anti-Islamic
4.4 percent were anti-Catholic
4.3 percent were anti-multiple religions, group
4.0 percent were anti-Protestant
0.4 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etcHmm...so, combining the Catholics and Protestants...that's 8.4% anti-Christian hate crimes. (you know, versus the 68.4% anti-Jewish ones).
Now, breaking down the sexual-orientation in a similar fashion,
59.2 percent were classified as anti-male homosexual bias
24.8 percent were reported as anti-homosexual bias
12.6 percent were prompted by an anti-female homosexual bias
1.8 percent were the result of an anti-heterosexual bias
1.6 percent were classified as anti-bisexual biasSo, even will our less than accurate numbers (for those who have gone unreported who were gay, etc.), considering there was a .2 percent difference between the religious and sexual-orientation people victim to hate crimes, there was about 89.8% more people victim of a hate crime with anti-sexuality bias than those victim of hate crimes with a anti-Christian bias.
Wait, wait - Christians are a hate group?
Heh, forgive me if I'm a little confused - who has the right to marry at the moment? Better yet - who has legal benefits given by the State that I don't have?? Want to talk about housing situations? How they're fucked as a result of anti-racial discrimination that we're still feeling the affects for? Or how about that if my name were Jamal, I would have 50% less of a chance of being hired (http://books.google.com/books?id=9I7ExPk-920C&pg=PA226&lpg=PA226&dq=Black+names+job+employment&source=bl&ots=r6Wsam1HvT&sig=eNcRkSPD3dnOAAA6kAP2jhQuvgE&hl=en&ei=L2T3SfeAD6WsNaOLoLYP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#PPA226,M1) than if I submitted an application with my actual name?
Hate group? Are you kidding me? I'm floored! No, I'm insulted. I'm flabbergasted. In this country, you have the audacity to complain that just because your ideas are opposed, you feel you're hated? Perhaps you should recheck your ideas.
I believe in free speech; I believe in it because only in open dialogue can we further in progress. This is the perpetuation of idiocy.
In other news, gay Iraqis are dying by torture: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/26/10950#comments
In Uganda, people still push for jail-time for life for being found to be gay: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/04/24/10921#comments
Antisemitism is on the rise again in Europe: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/883342.html
I'm still able to find pictures like this online:
(http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/nigger-make-up.jpg&imgrefurl=http://patdollard.com/2008/07/theyll-call-me-a-nigger-mccain-and-hussein-have-begun-nastiest-presidential-battle-in-decades/&usg=__0olbGA313rc2GpCXQ49eW0QRcU0=&h=290&w=400&sz=29&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=tcQhMM3UuJfgtM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnigger%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1)
Many still don't understand sexism when faced with it.
And for way too "comfortable" an amount of people, I'm still a nigger - and I'm still a faggotWhat's that other negative word people call me for being Christian? Oh, right - there is none
Comments (27)
This post is full of win. I'm surprised that there weren't that many anti-atheist/agnostic hate crimes though. I guess it's good to be shown that you're wrong sometimes, ehhh?
Excellent post, the picture cracked me up.
@Axis_of_Doom - I was as well, although I'm guessing to an extent they tend not to be presented as such.
Very nicely laid out. When Christians in the USA complain of being hated and persecuted, I get a strange sensation. It makes me laugh, yet it also turns my stomach. They don't know the FIRST thing about true persecution, and here they are, whining from the comfort of their home pc's about persecution and hate crimes. BULLSHIT.
I don't like crimes being categorized as "hate crimes" no matter who the perpetrator or who the victim. Also, you have made valid points, and this is a good post, for that reason. That said, Christians are one of the few groups it is still okay to mock and ridicule in the media and inn other public forums in the United States and many other parts of the World. While it seldom rises to the level of violence here in America (thankfully), it is still wrong. In other parts of the World, particularly those run by Radical followers of Islam, Christians are often subjected to violence, discrimination and confiscation of property.
Christians face persecution in over 40 nations.
Exactly.
@radicalramblings - yes, this is true. forgive me for being unclear, the original Revelife posts (as I remember) dealt entirely with the media (and other people)'s treatment of Christians in America. It was from that perspective I wrote.
@lonelywanderer2 - Yes, you are quite right. And, as a Christian, I couldn't with dignity say that was incorrect. The part that bothers me is when people make it seem like Christians get it worse than other groups in the US. While not all ridicule is justified, that ridicule is not on the same level of other wrongs done to other groups. And I feel, for the most part, that dissenting opinion in the media of majoridly Christian ideas are the same freedom of speech allotted to Christians who speak their opinions. Thanks, though, for the evaluation of the post, and for reading.
Great post! I have a friend who talks a lot about how people hate him because he is a Christian. Yet he is always the first to say something hateful to someone who is not Christian.
@NatalieTheSaint - I have either met or read about quite a lot of Christians exactly like that. It makes my blood boil at the sheer hypocrisy.
i lul'd
Great post!
@GodlessLiberal - @Axis_of_Doom - That is true...though I always imagined that group was more just flat out verbally harassed more than anything else. And (I would imagine) those types of offences don't often get reported. The other possibility, since local law enforcements aren't required to report anything to the FBI, is that they simply aren't reported. But obviously I don't know either way.
@In_Reason_I_Trust - yes, I fully agree. It astounds me how badly the majoridy of rather religious Christians in this country seem to have an inability to think at all. I'm part of a Secular Thinking club on my campus and, being the only religious member, it's amazing the views that the majority of Christians in America have given the other members.
@thirst2 - Good point. Also the fact that very few identify as atheist, and I doubt you'd hear about assault against "non religious" or "evolution-promoting" or "un-Christian" or anything else that might get an atheist assaulted.
I saw that title on Revelife and didn't even bother going to read it. Living with people who actually use the n-word on a fairly daily basis (plus many, many other racist things) and try to pass it off as "I'm not racist, I just have this aunt who says things like that so it's an inside joke," I know that there are way more problems for all other groups out there than Christians. It's just because they don't know true hate, which is pretty much what you said already.
@thirst2 - Those are excellent points. It's a shame I didn't actually think of that.
Say, this post didn't explode because of ME did it?
. I'd like to think it did.
@Axis_of_Doom - haha, I was actually, honestly wondering the same thing. Granted, I recognize most of the people commenting here...but my xanga's always been kinda hidden. Never been featured, don't know many on Xanga, etc. I was surprised so many have found this
i would have read this entry if it wasn't for your music and terrible background. just saying. i attempted. peace.
Case in point:
http://www.revelife.com/700241512/on-hating-christians-a-follow-up/?ref=FPP
Yuck.
Excellent post.
@Neurotically_Mine - While I understand the background (I've been trying to think of other ways to aid it, though I tend to find it not all that difficult; others have said otherwise, though), I'm at confusion towards the music. If you couldn't listen to it and read, you could have always just muted your computer for the 10 minutes it would've taken to read.
@thirst2 - that's too much work. sorry. and i was getting a headache.
Very good points - enjoyed reading that very much. I hate when people make excuses. Racism is racism is racism (or sexism, etc.) ... no matter how small you think a comment is. I hate arguing about that with people who will never get a clue...
Great post.
I did something really similar a few years ago, right around Christmas (inspired by one of those yearly "War on Christmas" rants, and the fact that I'd just started at a new position, and the woman training me had a sign on her desk that said "It's either 'In God We Trust' or get your ass out of America", so a few raw nerves had been hit). I did a little bit of research, and found out that, within a 15 mile radius of my parents' house (in Tennessee) there were SEVEN HUNDRED Christian churches of various denominations, but mostly Baptist. I'm not kidding. SEVEN HUNDRED. Yet only one synagogue and one Ba'hai group. That's IT. No mosques. Down the road from my house in suburban Chicago, we have three churches all on the same street corner, two of which are Catholic. But at least we do have the very-popular Muslim center not too far away.At the same time, there was a story out of my old home town of Green Bay in which a local Wiccan group got the right to place a pentacle wreath up with the rest of the holiday displays on the roof/lawn of the local police station. The wreath had to be replaced multi times because people or a person kept vandalizing it, even though it was one of the displays on the roof. It was the only display to be vandalized. Someone hated Wiccans so much that they snuck onto the roof of the building where cops work. That takes balls.
@ithiliya - Yeah, unfortunately the concept of living with those who are different is a difficult concept for some. I'm starting to worry what Christians will look like years later. Oh well. The comforting aspect is that progress is always being made.
Cool though that you seem to hail from my home state. I was born and raised in Illinois and my dad grew up around the Green Bay area. Attending college in Massachussetts at the moment, but was cool to hear.
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